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Note, "vanishing can be reversed" is outdated. The current vanish/lock process is designed to be one-way. — xaosflux Talk 10:49, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see. But does it mean that the vanished person may continue to use other newly created user accounts, or should these accounts be locked anyway? --Pafsanias (talk) 11:00, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone disruptively using accounts may be sanctioned. If these accounts are disrupting your project, you can block them. None of these accounts, including the vanished ones are blocked anywhere - we do not globally lock accounts simply because someone has multiple non-disrupting accounts. This does not necessarily mean that a check isn't warranted. Are any of these accounts causing disruption on rowki? — xaosflux Talk 12:24, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As a matter of fact, they violate the local guideline on courtesy vanishing currently in force. --Pafsanias (talk) 14:10, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that'd constitute as a valid violation purely because user vanishing is done locally on Meta. A09|(pogovor) 10:52, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not quite sure if I get your point. I do not claim that any local procedure on meta has been violated, nor that any action has to be taken on this project. The present checking of accounts was requested here because there are no local checkusers on ro.wikipedia. --Pafsanias (talk) 15:47, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The checkuser policy is very narrow. See CheckUser policy#Use of the tool. Creating local rules does not expand the limits on this tool. If someone has locked one account and started using a new account, they only have one account - so they wouldn't be actively socking. Not a single one of these accounts appears to have disrupted any project enough even have a block. There also is no local discussion linked where behavioral evidence has been examined. Regarding what actions you would take even if these were related, "the vanishing can be reversed": account vanishing under the newer vanishing process that also locks accounts is considered a one-way process, so that is no longer an viable remedy. — xaosflux Talk 16:13, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid I wasn't clear enough. There are two accounts currently in use: ESTCV and Vellion Eagle. Behaviorial evidence has been examined here for the first of them and here for the second one. Regarding what actions we would take if these accounts were related, maybe we should consider indefinitely blocking them? --Pafsanias (talk) 16:56, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neither of those accounts have appeared to have done anything to get blocked so far. Unless there is a specific disruption that is being caused by these accounts editing in combination, that is suspected to be because both of the accounts are being controlled by the same person, there isn't a good reason to checkuser them. Is that present? Of course, if either of the accounts are being disruptive, you can just block them for that. — xaosflux Talk 18:51, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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@Xaosflux: Thank you for your advice. As far as I can see, there are two different issues related to this case:

  1. Both English and Romanian Wikipedia guidelines about courtesy vanishing must be updated, because they no longer reflect the current status of the vanish/lock process, which is one-way and cannot be reversed. I intend to open a discussion about this on the Romanian language project. Could you help us with providing a link to the corresponding discussion that took place on meta and the final decision leading to this change of status?
  2. Nevertheless, account vanishing still designates a permanent leave from Wikimedia project, which implies that the vanished user will not return. This is also mentioned even in the corresponding meta rules, which furthermore specify that “if you want to edit using another username, you should use changing username and clean start instead”.

If the above accounts belong to the same person, as all the indications suggest, then they are in violation of the second point. Moreover, this blatant violation is extremely defiant, since the second account was created on June 1, immediately after the first vanish request was approved, and a new vanish request was submitted at the same time. In the meantime, in one of his edit descriptions the user wrote: “My Global Vanish Request hasn't been accepted yet, so I'm still working a bit”! The other two accounts were created 3 days and 6 days later, respectively, and they are still in use. This behavior does not correspond to the purpose of the described account vanishing procedure.

If meta checkuser cannot assist local administrators with verifying those accounts, there is no problem, we may proceed by applying the duck test and analyzing only the behavioral evidence, but this clearly doesn’t change the nature of their infringement and the need to clarify the rules to be followed in case of courtesy vanishing. --Pafsanias (talk) 10:30, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly local projects should maintain accurate information. "Account vanishing" is about global accounts - not necessarily people. In general, abandoning one's account and starting a new account is acceptable. Abandoning one account that is being disruptive or that was sanctioned to start a new account is generally unacceptable. Also, using multiple accounts disruptively at once is generally unacceptable. Please note Account vanishing is not a policy, and also note that the concept of account vanishing (including the new processes that include locking and scrambling the account as well as making this a one-way workflow) were updated in the last year in order to comply with various laws across the jurisdictions we operate in.
So regrading the 4 accounts above: None of them apparently did anything to warrant blocking, so none appear to be causing direct disruption or using multiple accounts to bypass blocks. The unlocked accounts don't even seem to have overlapping contributions. ESTCV appears to have stopped contributing almost 2 months ago. So what is left? There is one account that is actively contributing (Vellion Eagle). If that account is being disruptive, block it. If that spurns ESTCV to reactivate - that would be good behavioral evidence of disruptive socking. — xaosflux Talk 12:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We agree that in general, abandoning one's account and starting a new account is acceptable. This is not what account vanishing seems to refer to, however. Account vanishing is about permanent leave from Wikimedia project and is different from changing username and clean start. It is not a policy, indeed, but the corresponding document has been discussed and approved by the community. I found no information about the recent changes on the talk page, nor do they appear to be reproduced in the current version of the page. What authority do we need to rely on in order to update our local guideline? --Pafsanias (talk) 13:58, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To change a page on a local project, discuss with the local project.
The most important recent change to keep in mind is that in order to comply with laws in multiple countries, as well as the requirements for participation in services such as the Google Play Store and the Apple App Store - the Foundation implemented a close my account utility. This utility has replaced the courtesy "vanishing" that we used to do by manually renaming accounts. Using this utility is a one-way workflow. The Foundation's Terms of Service do not require that someone that closes an account in this manner will be forever barred from ever contributing to Wikimedia projects in the future. Local projects do continue to have wide moderation powers over their contributors, and in general may block their users for any reason supported by the local community that don't violate global policies such as the Universal Code of Conduct. — xaosflux Talk 14:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the information. Where can I find more details about this new utility and the process leading to its adoption by the Foundation? I think this is an important change that should be widely communicated to all local projects in order to be duly mirrored in their policies and guidelines. Or has it already been communicated and I didn't notice? --Pafsanias (talk) 15:30, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Most of this is contained within these tasks - local updates to Account vanishing / Global_renamers/FAQ#Vanishing are likely also still needed. Some updates have been sent in Tech News (e.g. Tech/News/2024/30) - but the non technical aspects have been a bit understated. One important thing that hasn't changed is that disrupting our projects, no matter what mechanisms are used - is still not acceptable. — xaosflux Talk 15:57, 30 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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